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Author Topic: Problem with setting size on Epson R2880  (Read 17724 times)
Peter Spader
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« on: November 26, 2011, 08:45:17 PM »

I am using Windows 7 and Epson R2880 and printing TIFF files, post processed in Windows Pro 5.  I usually print either 8.5 by 11 or 13 by 19 inches with borders of .25, .5 or 1.0 inches.  When I attempt to set Qimage Ultime to print with .25 borders it comes out with asymmetrical borders, in portrait the left and right borders are about 1 iinch, the top is .25 and the bottom is a little less than 1 inch.  This is only one sample, but any attempt to set those borders comes out wrong with this type of problem.

I actually had it come out correctly once but cannot get it to do it again.  I assume I am making a mistake in my settings, but cannot find any instructions on how to handle this type of problem.

I am using Sigma cameras from the SD9 and have found Qimage is excellent for this camera, and want to continue doing so.

Thanks for your help!

Pete
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 09:00:01 PM »


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I am using Windows 7 and Epson R2880 and printing TIFF files, post processed in Windows Pro 5.  I usually print either 8.5 by 11 or 13 by 19 inches with borders of .25, .5 or 1.0 inches.  When I attempt to set Qimage Ultime to print with .25 borders it comes out with asymmetrical borders, in portrait the left and right borders are about 1 iinch, the top is .25 and the bottom is a little less than 1 inch.  This is only one sample, but any attempt to set those borders comes out wrong with this type of problem.

Pete,
When you use the term borders, do you mean you added borders, or are you using the term borders to mean margins?
Then we can answer your question.
Also explain print size. You are using 8.5 x 11 paper and 13 x 19 paper, but what size prints?

Supper time here.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 09:17:09 PM »

Fred,

Sorry about that.  I mean margins.

Pete
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 10:58:25 PM »

OK, now I need to have an idea what size prints?  Also to make this easier, check your selection of print placement.
See screen snap.
It might be just as simple as selecting Optimal Spaced or Centered as opposed to compact or Freehand.
So we need, print size and number of prints per page. Page size. Placement setting, and what Qimage reports at the very upper right area.
See screen snap.

Probably wont get back to you until early morning. But post the answers, and Terry or Brian will help as they live in the UK and are 5 hours ahead of us.
Although I am on here by 5 am EST, and that's early too.
Don't worry. Between all the good folks on here, you will be right as rain very shortly.

Fred
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 12:12:28 AM »

Fred,

O.K.  here are the settings on my last attempt:

With Default Print Properties set at:
“fit to page”

and Margins set at 0.0 (by Clearing Margins)

Current Size: 7.39 X 9
Auto Crop: On
Placement Optimal/Spaced

At top of picture it is: 8.498 X10.998 (700 X700)
these values are from picture itself.

The paper is 8.5 X 11.0 inch and the picture that prints out is top and bottom a little over an inch, the left side is a little over ˝ inch and the right side is 3/4 inch.

I am quite sure if I tried any other settings I would get somwhat different results (often the print is offset in odd ways.
The main problem is I see no stable relationship between my settings and what is printed out.

If you need anything else let me know and thanks for your help and the help of others.

Pete



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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 09:24:31 AM »

Hi Pete,
Before Fred gets here, one more query.
You said:
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and Margins set at 0.0 (by Clearing Margins
That really is a no-no. You should only get the printable are to match the paper size by selecting borderless in your driver and since your print size is well inside the printable area (3mm or 1/8th inch page margins is normal for Epson), you do not need borderless.
What are your "normal" page margins and printable area as reported by QU?
It may be you setting the margins to zero has confused the driver and all ok with them put back to normal (click clear margins).
Try that and wait to see if Fred has any more ideas - he may have the 2880 driver to check details.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 11:14:36 AM »

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With Default Print Properties set at:
“fit to page”

and Margins set at 0.0 (by Clearing Margins)

Current Size: 7.39 X 9
Auto Crop: On
Placement Optimal/Spaced

At top of picture it is: 8.498 X10.998 (700 X700)
these values are from picture itself.

The paper is 8.5 X 11.0 inch and the picture that prints out is top and bottom a little over an inch, the left side is a little over ˝ inch and the right side is 3/4 inch.

Peter,
Good Morning,
I see that Terry has offered a good thought as to you possibly having invoked extra margins, using the margins setting in Qimage.
As he said, that's a no-no unless you are printing a book and need extra fixed to one side, or special greeting card of sorts.

I have been messing with your driver for a while, and finally managed to get a match to your settings.

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Current Size: 7.39 X 9

This is the only one that I cannot duplicate because it is a product of having Qimage Fit to page when the printable area of the page was set to that size.
So I did it manually.
You would need to do FIT TO PAGE AGAIN to have QU resize the print.

Ok I managed to mess it up to where I duplicated your readings.
See screen snaps.

Screen snap 011 is the problem.
Take the check mark out of that Scaling box.

The simplest way to effect the fix is to go into Qimage Ultimate and click HELP and RESET PRINTER SETTINGS.
Qimage will shut down. Reopen QU and open the driver, (Printer Page Setup) top right corner, left button of three.
Now all you do is set the paper type; set the quality back to MAX QUALITY; and set the color controls to OFF if you use a printer profile or a different choice if you don't.
That's it!
OK yourself out of the driver.

Now you are set to normal.
Upper right says 720 x 720  and 10.766 x 8,266.

Ok Pete, now please explain what size print you wish to make with normal margins or with special margins.

Hope you are following us so far.
If not, just say, Fred! You lost me at this point.............

Fred

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 02:41:19 PM »

Fred,

O.K., I did that and now the picture does fit the settings, with the margins now 0.1181 for bottom and right side and 0.1167 for top and left side.  These are the fixed minimum amounts set by the printer.

The problem is that if I want, for example 0.25 margins I am not sure how I set the margins to get that. If I set an additional 0.25 to each of the margins, I still have the offset, that makes sense. But if I set the margins so that 0.25 is the total, I still have an offset similar to the one above. That does not make sense.

Does this make any sense to you?

Pete
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 03:17:58 PM »

Hi Pete,
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The problem is that if I want, for example 0.25 margins I am not sure how I set the margins to get that.
You need to set "additional margins" with a value of the difference between 0.25" and the driver margin.
See an example for my R800, especially set to inches for you and Fred  Grin (note my forum title!!)
Epson printers do seem to have small differences in the page margins, side to side and top to bottom.
Don't forget this reduces the printable area.
Terry
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 04:59:32 PM »

Terry,

That is the problem, becaise I have had it set so that all four margins were the same.  If you are going to mount the prints using mattes then this does not matter, but I like to display the prints without this elaborate process, just putting a backing of the print.  The difference in the margins printed out is very disturbing.

The fact that I was able to find settings that gave me all four margins the same size suggests I should be able to do it again if I can figure out what I am now doing wrong.

Thanks.

Pete
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 05:13:29 PM »

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That is the problem, becaise I have had it set so that all four margins were the same.
I have your driver here.
Yes, you might have had the margins set properly, but when you put a check in the driver box called REDUCE/ENLARGE you mess it all up.
Avoid that, and it works.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 06:47:36 PM »

Fred,

i do not have Reduce/Enlarge checked and i still have the problem.  What isinteresting is the fact that if I increase the margin to .50 the offsets get much larger, not just the small fixed offset set by the printer.

Incidentally, I just noticed that on the picture in the upper left corner is a small white box that says 2X2.  Is that relevant?

Pete

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 07:03:07 PM »

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I just noticed that on the picture in the upper left corner is a small white box that says 2X2.  Is that relevant?

Very relevant!
It tells you that you asked Qimage to make a print that is larger than the printable area of the paper size you told the driver.

Pete,
Let's start over...
I know you had a checkmark in that Enlarge box before. Using RESET Printer from Qimage should have cleared it, and I'm sure it did.

But this should be very easy to do.

1) All I ask is that you tell me what size paper you are using, and did you select that size in the driver?

2) What size print are you trying to make?
If no particular size then:
2a) Are you simply trying to make a print as large as possible with .25 inch margins all the way around?

Never mind anything else.
Can you just reply to the above questions?

PS are you working with landscape or portrait orientation of the page?


Fred
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 07:33:40 PM »

Peter,
While waiting for your reply, I had a few moments to assume that you want the largest print possible with 1/4 inch margins all the way around.
I simply added the appropriate numbers as per Terry's attached screen snap which provided a 0.25 margin all the way around.

Then I clicked the Print Properties icon, selected Fit to Page, and added my image.

I ended up with 1/4 inch margins all the way around a print that is 8.0  x 10.50 inches.

I made a paper print on glossy to make sure the driver didn't change anything.

My driver on my R1800 is showing the exact same numbers as your 2880 driver. Same page/print dimensions.
So, I'm sure is Terry's R800

So please follow up and let's get you comfortable with Qimage Ultimate.

Fred
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 08:33:45 PM »

Fred,

Your assumptions are correct.  This is what I want to do.

And your advice was good as well. I think the key was the fact that I had to get the settings correct before I loaded a picture.  I have just printed out a picture at 0.25 and one at 0.5 margins and both of them printed out correctly, the margins are correct and all sides are the same.

One oddity, when I print out images that, up to now, fitted well into this size without cropping them, the prints come out with the side margins greater than the top and bottom.  If I put auto-crop on they are cropped and come out totally symmetrical.

I can, of course, make the size of the print smaller, but I am still curious why this has cropped up (pun intened) now.

Oh, how do i make these setting default so I do not have to do the whole setup each time?

Thank you so much for getting me this far.  With luck I  will have a stable printer now.

Pete

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