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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2009, 09:38:47 PM »

Fred,

I do a lot of performing arts plays - I photograph during the final dress rehersal, choose and process about 50 images, then print them and deliver the prints the next day for mounting on the auditorium foyer walls prior to the first performance the next day.  It makes for a long night and I do not want to have to handle or trim the images after they are printed - just package and deliver.  Because these images are viewed by a lot of folks during the three days of performances, I want them to look as professional as possible.  Because I don't make a lot on a per print basis, I want to keep my costs down as best I can - no wasted ink for borderless, and labor and time to a minimum - no trimming.

Terry-M, I found the Printable area option - my maximum is greyed out and not selectable.  I will give centered a try later this evening - I just received an order for some images and need to get them done so my lab in CA can ship today.

I really appreciate all of your guidance and support.

Bill

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2009, 09:42:58 PM »

Terry,
The largest printable area I can get is 10.997 with borderless and Max turned on.
Max alone is 10.776.
You are showing  11.448 inches on an 11 inch paper.
You got me.
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2009, 09:52:18 PM »

Ok, then follow Terry's guidelines. I can get even margins top and bottom, and even margins of the side to side, but the two pairs are different sizes, leading me to believe that one pair needs trimming.
I made an 8.5 x 11 cropped image to match what you have...
I think Terry's uncle is Merlin!!

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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2009, 09:55:50 PM »

BTW, my math is not my claim to fame. 
I would stick with Terry
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2009, 10:02:03 PM »

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You are showing  11.448 inches on an 11 inch paper
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I think Terry's uncle is Merlin!!
No, I just got the page size wrong 11.5 x8 ins  Embarrassed
But you get the idea.

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I found the Printable area option - my maximum is greyed out and not selectable.
Maybe it's related to some other setting in the driver, page size even?

Terry.
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2009, 10:03:24 PM »

Are you happy with top and bottom borders the same and matching; but sides are matching too, but not the same size as the top and bottom.
I think Terry and I are on the same page, but I was striving for equal; margins on all 4 sides, and he says, two equal sides and two equal sides is what you want, even though the left and right margins are larger than the top and bottom.
It's up to you....
Then you don't trim as long as you accept the above.

Good luck,
Fred
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2009, 10:19:09 PM »

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I will give centered a try later this evening
I've just checked Standard-Centered.
The Full Page Editor reports, in Portrait mode, 0.55" top, 0.56" bottom and 0.12" at each side. Qimage says it can't center exactly due to the driver.
Terry.
PS. that's using fit to page, the biggest size possible on the page.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2009, 10:29:04 PM »

I think I figured it out!
Set driver to Max size.
That gives you a printable area of 10.776 x 8.266.
Then I went to custom and ordered a print size Fit to Page. Crop scissor on.
I get 10.77 x 8.27 inches and margins after clicking CENTER of .12 all the way around.

This works because I didn't adhere to your 8.5 x 11 print ratioo.

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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2009, 10:36:15 PM »

Here's the screen snap.
See the even margins all the way around.
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2009, 03:00:43 AM »

Depending on the printer, experiment with creating custom paper sizes in the printer preferences/setup.  QI knows how much is not printable in the printer and shows it t the top.  BUT, the printer does not know what size paper you really put in there.  It may help.
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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2009, 09:17:32 PM »

Top and bottom equal, left and right side equal is OK all equal preferred with the crop ration 8.5x11.  I cropped to 8.5x11 ratio thinking I will get even margins when I fit to page.  Easier said than done.  I have managed to get the opposite sides equal, but not sure it is the largest image.  How are you determining if the printed image is centered and boarders even without an actual print?  Does the Epson preview represent the actual paper area and margins?

Thanks for all of the ideas, I really appreciate your help.

Bill
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« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2009, 09:47:43 PM »

Just click on my image to enlarge it from my previous post. It is the Full Page Editor screen in location tab. See the margins are all equal at .12
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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2009, 09:49:21 PM »

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I cropped to 8.5x11 ratio thinking I will get even margins when I fit to page
That is impossible!
The 8.5x11 page has a ratio of 1.294  (long side divided by short side)
If for example, you place an image on that page with a 0.5 inch border, the image is 7.5x10. This is a ratio of 1.333

Looking at the other way round, an image with the 8.5x11 ratio (1.294) with say 10" dimension on the long side, the short side will be 7.73"
This is equivalent to margins of 0.5" and 0.385".

It's all in the maths  Wink
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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2009, 09:55:58 PM »

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See the margins are all equal at .12
But the image is not the same "ratio" as 8.5x11
I think that Bill said he could not get "maximum" printable area on his driver (greyed out) so his margins will be somewhat larger. He didn't tell us those sizes  Sad
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2009, 10:59:11 PM »



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But the image is not the same "ratio" as 8.5x11
Right

I made the largest centered image with same size margins on all 4 sides.
I think that is what he wanted in the first place. Somewhere, he said after we spent a lot of time trying to keep his 8.5 x 11 size print, that the actual print size wasn't that important, but equal margins was the goal.
Fred
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