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weezyrider
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« on: July 17, 2009, 12:11:37 AM »

Qimage is working well, managed to figure out most of it - but I can't figure out how to get the borders even. I've played with all the settings and one of the shorter borders is always wider. How do you get the borders even on all 4 sides? I've tried to illustrate it. It doesn't seem to want to attach.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2009, 06:24:36 AM »

Weezy,
I'm puzzled by your attachment as there is no image as such and I can see 3 borders; black, white and black around a white area whereas Qimage will do 2 borders  Huh
See my attachment below which shows the page preview with an image and 2 borders; note the dimensions are mm.
Are you in fact talking about page margins rather than image borders? If that is what you mean, page margins can be centred in the Page formatting/Margins menu.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2009, 07:40:44 AM »

Weezy,
I'm puzzled by your attachment as there is no image as such and I can see 3 borders; black, white and black around a white area whereas Qimage will do 2 borders  Huh
See my attachment below which shows the page preview with an image and 2 borders; note the dimensions are mm.
Are you in fact talking about page margins rather than image borders? If that is what you mean, page margins can be centred in the Page formatting/Margins menu.


That was/is a very useful illustration.  I have not done boarders yet, I am sure that will be helpful.

Jeff 
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2009, 02:22:59 PM »

See, Terry?  I consider his as only two borders.  It is exactly what I want to do without drawing in in PS.

The white inside the two black lines is not a "border;" it is paper white.  The second black line is the other "border."  I was just screwing with this the other day--obviously, to no avail.

Unless you have done this already, my next trial is to use the "black line" in the page formatting.  Then, surround that with wide white then .03 black borders.


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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2009, 03:24:57 PM »

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my next trial is to use the "black line" in the page formatting.
That is a very thin line - I use it frequently.
To have more than the 2 Qimage borders and not use another editor, there are 2 methods I know of:
1. Make a cutout, see 1st attachment below, ok. if you are using the same borders frequently.
2. Use plain colour images as backgrounds, see 2nd attachment below; this has a plain white image, a textured image and borders as well, 5 altogether, is that enough?  Wink
It looks like it's fiddly but it took me about 5 mins to do that example including making a plain white image; I already had the textured one.
Terry.
Edit, sorry about the spelling it's "multiple" for the second attachment - said I did it quickly  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2009, 04:14:26 PM »

Now those are borders!!
We use Qimage and spend the 600.00 we saved by noy buying CS4 on a good lens!
Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2009, 06:37:44 PM »

We use Qimage and spend the 600.00 we saved by noy buying CS4 on a good lens!

Sorry, Fred, I just can't pass this up!!  (I am messing wth you.)

1.  A good lens for $600?  Is it stolen?  Is it gray market?

2.  You're spending $600 on PS?  Waaay too much <GGGG!>

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 07:58:02 PM »

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Sorry, Fred, I just can't pass this up!!  (I am messing wth you.)

1.  A good lens for $600?  Is it stolen?  Is it gray market?

2.  You're spending $600 on PS?  Waaay too much <GGGG!>

Well, to rephrase, 600.00 toward a good lens, although I have 3 "L" lenses from Canon, 2 of which were 400.00 each and one was 89.00. The 89.00 lens is what everyone used to call The wonderful Canon blunder. A 50mm "L" lens F.1.8. Sharp as a tack.
I also have lenses for 1400.00 so I know what you mean.

Buying CS4 or CS3 with all that it can do, and for what digi photogs really use of it, is like fishing with a bamboo pole, a string, a safety pin for a hook, and a worm, and fishing off the back of your yacht!   Tongue Roll Eyes Grin

Just my HMO. Cheesy
Just having some fun too... Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 08:50:13 PM »

That is how the white borders around the print look! One side of the white is wider than the other and it's driving me crazy! I want 4 equal white borders around the print! I dislike borderless images. I can get 4 equally spaced white borders if I print from CS3. CS3 is a little funky on the color and doesn't print what I see on the monitor (calibrated) Quimage and Adobe Indesign print the right colors.
The only prolem that qimage has is those unequal borders. I've found the input for the border width and tried every possible combination and the damn borders are still unequal. How do I get four  1/8" WHITE borders around the print?
Tnaks, Weezy
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2009, 09:03:26 PM »

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The only problem that Qimage has is those unequal borders
No-one else has the problem as you can see from the screen shots posted so there's something we are not understanding about what you are doing.
Can you post, as an attachment a screen shot of the right hand side of the Qimage main screen so we can see both the page preview with the image and the border settings? In fact the whole rhs of the main screen to see all settings.
Hopefully we may see the problem from that or at least ask some more questions.
Just one question, obvious I know, you haven't already got a partial border on the image already - just checking.
Terry
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 09:06:31 PM »

That is how the white borders around the print look! One side of the white is wider than the other and it's driving me crazy! I want 4 equal white borders around the print! I dislike borderless images. I can get 4 equally spaced white borders if I print from CS3. CS3 is a little funky on the color and doesn't print what I see on the monitor (calibrated) Quimage and Adobe Indesign print the right colors.
The only prolem that qimage has is those unequal borders. I've found the input for the border width and tried every possible combination and the damn borders are still unequal. How do I get four  1/8" WHITE borders around the print?
Tnaks, Weezy

It sounds to me like you are mixing up borders and margins.  And when you say four borders, I think you really mean one border.  A border is an area around the entire photo.  So if you specify a border of 1/8 inch, you'll get a 1/8 inch border on all four sides of the photo.  Where in Qimage are you specifying a 1/8 inch border?  What's your print size?  What's the paper size?  Did you check "edges": otherwise how can you tell how wide the borders are if they are white?  I think what you are looking at is your printer having a printable area that is not centered, but I can't tell by the info you've given.  Can you post a screen snap of the Qimage main window (with all panels open) right before you print?

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2009, 09:11:15 PM »

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get four  1/8" WHITE borders around the print?
I think you mean margins around the print and not borders from Qimage. Am I guessing right?
What printer?
Sounds like you just want a centered print with a 1/8 margin all around.
I would do what Mike said, plus turn off all the borders in Qimage. Then we can deal witn print placement on the paper, which is my guess what you are asking for.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2009, 03:23:43 AM »

My image in Editor page shows that there is border top/bottom .12 and .16 on the sides (white space). When I try to put a border around my image .02 and .02 (much smaller than white space) it makes a print area to shrink. Why, if there is already a white space around my image? Does border(s) become part of an image?
Thank you!
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2009, 08:15:50 AM »

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My image in Editor page shows that there is border top/bottom .12 and .16 on the sides (white space).
That is normal and the values will depend on the printer you are using.
However, these numbers are the PAGE margins and outside the printable area.
On the main screen, just above the page preview, the printable area, as reported by the printer driver, is shown. It will always be less than the page size unless  "borderless" is used (another ball game altogether).
If you go to the Page Formatting/Margins menu, the details are shown there.

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Why, if there is already a white space around my image? Does border(s) become part of an image?
From what I can gather from your post, you are filling the page with the image (it's useful to know paper size, printer & print size in such queries).
So the simple answer to this question is "yes".
Qimage image BORDERS (not the same as page margins) can be applied as B or +B. One keeps the print the same size as specified, the other adds to the print size.
If the image is already filling the page printable area, you can't use B+ of course, so Qimage will automatically apply as B.

I hope that helps. I hope weezy, who started this thread, reads this too because I think his problem is related to understanding printable area, the difference between page margins and image borders, and, page margins are not always equal around the page.

Terry

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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2009, 09:50:01 AM »

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I think you mean margins around the print and not borders from Qimage. Am I guessing right?
What printer?
Sounds like you just want a centered print with a 1/8 margin all around.
I would do what Mike said, plus turn off all the borders in Qimage. Then we can deal witn print placement on the paper, which is my guess what you are asking for.
Fred
I think there might be two folks with the same question in this discussion.
That's good, but the basics need to be filled in:  What printer, what size paper, what size print are you trying to make.??
If either or both of you would be kind enough to supply that basic info, we can simulate what you are doing and supply the correct answers.
If either of you is using FIT TO PAGE as a size, then the margins are controlled by your printer and how much printable area they allow on each side.
That's why we need to know facts and details.
Please help!
Fred
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